Book of mormon geography great lakes

Even though the mormon church formally denies endorsing any geographical theory regarding the location of book of mormon events, its many book of mormon editions, film strips, pamphlets and professors using images and references exclusively of the mesoamerican area speaks otherwise. An alternative identification for the sidon would be the niagara river, which has its head in the. Phelps, and the pratt brothers speculated about a setting in central andor south america. May 02, 2019 book of mormon geography, maps, theories and models this is not an attempt to show all the theories, models, or ideas that may apply to book of mormon geography. Great lakes book of mormon geography open mormon times 06 december 2010 michael r. The lds church has published material indicating that science will support the historical authenticity of the book of. Jan 24, 2011 as argued in last weeks installment, the great lakes model for book of mormon geography has a number of geographical inconsistencies and dilemmas. Warr takes great effort to prove the geography of the book of mormon in central america, with the landing and etc.

Comparing book of mormon geography models mormon lds. Overview of book of mormon geography and church history. Its been over a year since someone posted something on book of mormon geography, so i think its about time. Proponents of the great lakes theory adhere to the teachings of lds church leaders, official church history, and church. The model consists of a land northward, a land southward, a narrow neck between the two and large bodies of water defined as seas that flank parts of the proposed geography. The book of mormon describes the narrow neck of land as a day and a half journey between the two oceans. Joseph lovell allen true book of mormon geography lands. Early latterday saints and church leaders had bigger things to worry about than trying to research the details about book of mormon geography from an. The hill cumorah in ontario county ny is the hill where joseph smith found the golden plates and is the same hill where the civilizations of the nephites cumorah and the jaredites ramah fought their last battles. By recourse to reconstructions of ancient lakes that no longer exist, olive is able to nearly surround. The population of book of mormon lands over much of the period of its history. As with all lgl proposals, aston is forced to improvise in identifying the named seas of book of mormon lands. This site can be used as a study guide to help understand the book of mormon.

Internal book of mormon geography map prophecy fulfilled book of mormon geography map the holland land purchase external book of mormon geography map watershed book of mormon geography map true lay of the land moraines and drumlin hills map frank leverett glacial formations and drainage. If you are a researcher of the same material i have been reading you have to get this book. Great lakes, the heartland, mesoamerica, to the chilean andes. Book of mormongeographynew worldgreat lakes geography. Made popular by his 1985 publication an ancient american setting for the book of mormon, sorensons geographic model for the book of mormon has withstood the test of time and remains the preeminent geographic model for book of mormon events. Virtual book of mormon book of mormon maps and learning. One of the more common recent arguments is the limited geography model, which states that the people of the book of mormon covered only a limited geographical region in either mesoamerica, south america, or the great lakes area. It is different, well written, long, and with more footnotes and references than i have ever seen. The author wrote in the preface to this 1959 book, for more than a hundred years there has been a need for a geography of the book of mormon. Oct 02, 2014 finally there is a way to really explore john sorensons book of mormon geography. Why are book of mormon names similar to where joseph smith. Sep 08, 2009 this book will astound all book of mormon geography enthusiasts.

The one and only river mentioned in the entire book of mormon is called the sidon. He received his bs from weber state university, his ma from brigham young university, and his phd from the university of. It, therefore, is an important geographical indicator. Unconventional book of mormon geography theories mormon. For that reason, our design team has chosen to develop an internal map that shows relational directions and approximate distances that match the. Oliver cowdery and joseph smith taught this clearly. Great lakes theories differ in that they incorporate the land of palmyra, new york as the place of the final nephite battle and the place where the jaredite omer walked. Phyllis carol olive, the lost lands of the book of mormon bonneville books, 2003. Book of mormon geography, maps, theories and models this is not an attempt to show all the theories, models, or ideas that may apply to book of mormon geography. And it was in the morningverifying the longitude of zarahemla new behold i am jesus christ the setting and location of the saviors visit to the people of nephi in the land of bountiful new. Evaluating the case for a limited great lakes setting byu. Read a few of the testimonials of those who read the book and have now joined the thousands who accept the near cumorah setting for the book of mormon in western new york as the. Dec 02, 2016 great signs and wonderswhat caused the destruction and darkness in book of mormon lands.

Those hearings were held on friday, january 21 through monday, january 24, 1921. Nor does this list represent any kind of sanction, acceptance, or preference, by any person or group, within or associated with the lee library, byu, or the church of jesus christ of. The great strength of the book is that it provides a wellargued perspective based on the geology of natural disasters that is new to the analysis of the book of mormonone that adds to the reality of book of mormon events and opens new doors for potential research and understanding of the geography of the book of mormon. May, meldrum, porter and lds travel agency president brian mickelsen were all partners in a book of mormon geography group that formed a website and sponsored seminars, but meldrum eventually left. If my great lakes theory is correct, the genesee river in new york is the river sidon of the book of mormon, it runs from south to north, empties into lake ontario, and fits all the descriptions given in the book of mormon for the river sidon. A limited geography model for the book of mormon is one of several theories by latter day saint movement scholars that the book s narrative was a historical record of people in a limited geographical region, rather than of the entire western hemisphere as believed by some early latter day saints these models, developed in an effort to reconcile claims in the book of mormon with archaeology. This video shows that the hopewell indians, during book of mormon times, did not have the population that the book of mormon requires to be. Great lakes proponents often associate nephites with the hopewell tradition of the great lakes region a loose cluster of early native american cultures that. Beginning in the early 1990s, several latterday saints jumped on the great lakes book of. All lds students of book of mormon geography who have worked systematically with the problem in recent decades have come to agree on this sorenson 1985, 2930.

Gods word is to be established by two or more witnesses 2 cor. But this 90 pages is packed full of north american goodness, its hard to know where to begin. Book of mormon geography, information about the church of jesus christ of latterday saints, mormon church, questions and answers, doctrine, genealogy, gospel, scriptures. While some latterday saints have looked for possible locations and explanations for book of mormon geography because the new york hill cumorah does not readily fit the book of mormon description of cumorah, there are no conclusive connections between the book of mormon text and any specific site. The heartland model or heartland theory of book of mormon geography states that the book of mormon events primarily occurred in the heartland of north america. Hagoth, sea south, land of ishmael, sea east, narrow neck of land, sea north, land of nephi, land of desolation, city of and land of moroni, land of zarahemla, land of antionum, city of teancum, hill cumorah, sea west, waters of mormon, land of antum, city. The community for those interested in faithful discussions related to the church of jesus christ of latterday saints and its members, known.

Rama aka camorah on the map is no where near the book of mormon says it is. Jan 25, 2008 book of mormon geography posted by mormon heretic on january 25, 2008 in book of mormon, central america, geography, malay, mormon, science, south america about 7 years ago, i was introduced to the idea that the book of mormon lands didnt take place in central america, but rather south america. As argued in last weeks installment, the great lakes model for book of mormon geography has a number of geographical inconsistencies and dilemmas. Joseph smith made several comments which suggest that ancient remains discovered in their vicinity once belonged to book of mormon peoples. The book of mormon map described in alma chapter 22 has finally been deciphered. More importantly, it is the only book on the subject that is not merely someones belief or opinion, but every point made is reference directly to the book of mormon text and. Home true book of mormon geography lands western new. Proposed book of mormon geographical setting wikipedia. Oct 03, 2019 book of mormon geography matters god intends us to find and use the evidence he has givenreasons, if you willwhich affirm the truthfulness of his work. The presence of so many necks of land even divided ones throughout the great lakes region, should hint to the thoughtful student of the book of mormon, that the principle lands of the book of mormon, near cumorah, including the narrow neck of land, and the narrow pass, are more localized, they are coastal like the land of israel the. The two theories of the setting of the book of mormon discussed at the conference were the mesoamerican theory and the united states great. In search of ramahcumorah is such a long title for such a short book.

Unfortunately, the geographical details of the book of mormon do not fit terribly well in models presented thus far. Finally there is a way to really explore john sorensons book of mormon geography. A new model for the book of mormon geography by james lee warr on this site, mr. A complete description of the book of mormon geography bomgeography, including an internal map model, external map model i. The majority of mesoamerican book of mormon geography models seek to correlate the isthmus of tehuantepec or the isthmus of guatemala. Even though the mormon church formally denies endorsing any geographical theory regarding the location of book of mormon events, its many book of mormon editions, film strips, pamphlets and professors using images and references exclusively of the. The problems for this model extend beyond geographical issues, however. Vernal holleys book of mormon authorship annotated 3. In 1991, john sorenson of byu, the dean of book of mormon geography, created a book called the geography of. Book of mormon geography, the near cumorah setting book. Fourth on my list of common arguments advocating a book of mormon great lakes geography is.

Does the book of mormon fit best in a geography located around the great lakes, between the united states and canada. The lord could have removed all questions regarding the exact locations of these events but he did not. Great signs and wonderswhat caused the destruction and darkness in book of mormon lands. Quarterly articles and internet articles on book of mormon history, language, culture, and geography allen, joseph l. That is an oversimplification, particularly when modern restricted flow rates 50%75% prevented, seasonal changes, sudden ledge collapses as listed below, and the initial loss when the land changed, are not. Because the great lakes and mesoamerican models are by far the two most popular, i plan to spend the next several issues discussing them. Book of mormon geography in the world of joseph smith. Oct 31, 2012 the two theories of the setting of the book of mormon discussed at the conference were the mesoamerican theory and the united states great lakes theory. But the two great lakes are much closer to each other, a mere 15 miles, a couplehour journey. Nov 17, 2014 the book of mormon map described in alma chapter 22 has finally been deciphered. Beginning in the early 1990s, several latterday saints jumped on the great lakes book of mormon geography bandwagon.

Book of mormon geography in nevillenevilleland book of. Account of zelph discovery does little to advance geography theory. The church and byu stay neutral in questions of exactly where the book of mormon took place. The heartland is the place where it all happened, right under our very noses. However, all of these models however suffer many of the same substantial problems. As the above logo depicts, we do respect this mandate, and our model is. Geography book of mormon subject guides at brigham. Book of mormon geography, the near cumorah setting there have been numerous attempts to locate the long, lost lands of the book of mormon over the years. The next lists the great lakes geography with exclusively negative comments and no advantages section. Indians of the great lakes region and the book of mormon youtube. Yet another theory placing it in north america near the great lakes. Proponents of the great lakes theory adhere to the teachings of lds church leaders, official church history, and church canon that identify the hill in palmyra, new york as the hill cumorah of the book of mormon, the place of the final nephite battle. Book of mormon geography in nevillenevilleland by rappleye, neal.

Book of mormon geography posted by mormon heretic on january 25, 2008 in book of mormon, central america, geography, malay, mormon, science, south america about 7 years ago, i was introduced to the idea that the book of mormon lands didnt take place in. Early church authors, including benjamin winchester, william smith, w. As each new theory surfaces, we gain fresh hope of acquiring additional insights into it ancient location, but are all too often disappointed. The book of mormon committee had overseen the successful publication of the 1920 edition and due to great interest around the church, decided to convene a series of book of mormon geography hearings. Book of mormon geography matters god intends us to find and use the evidence he has givenreasons, if you willwhich affirm the truthfulness of his work. The church emphasizes the doctrinal and historical value of the book of mormon, not its geography.

Unfortunately, exploring and testing his geographic model in. Baja book of mormon geography great lakes kc kern malay malay theory mormon matters sri lanka published by mormon heretic mormon heretic has been blogging since january 2008 at his own blog, mormon heretic. Unfortunately, exploring and testing his geographic. Read the book of mormon with real intent the clues are so many that any indiscriminant placement of cities can be exposed using mormons descriptions. The book of mormon geography lands and map with dna evidence. A whole bunch of reasons why book of mormon geography. The northern portion of lake erie is the west sea, and the western portion of lake ontario is the sea west, while the eastern part of this same lake is the sea east. Conversely, ed goble once believed that book of mormon events happened in the great lakes vicinity but now leans in favor of a mesoamerican model. Dec 06, 2010 conversely, ed goble once believed that book of mormon events happened in the great lakes vicinity but now leans in favor of a mesoamerican model. The 10th annual book of mormon lands symposium was held in salt lake city to discuss the research and discoveries most recently made. Aug 15, 2019 2017 overview of book of mormon geography and church history. This book locates everything from the narrow neck, to zarahemla, from cumorah, to the land of promise, bountiful. An additional argument for a great lakes setting is made. Other maps true book of mormon geography lands western.

Sadly, if such a place was the scene of the book of mormon, he placed the hill cumorah in cerro san gil, guatemala. We read of the land of many waters and quickly think of the great lakes area, close to where the plates were discovered. Only mesoamerica has the necessary credentials to be considered a credible place for the solution to mormons puzzle. The geographical picture of the ancient lands of the book of mormon is found in great detail in the lost lands of the book of mormon which was published by cfi in 1998. As the above logo depicts, we do respect this mandate, and our model is unique in this regard.

Some lds researchers have proposed a limited great lakes setting for the book of mormon aston 1998. He provided his interpretation of over seven hundred verses. Matching geographical locations in the old world with locations described in the book of mormon. A sourcebook, he laid out his thinking on the subject in detail. This book of mormon geography and lands is very different from all other published books on the subject of book of mormon geography. They far exceed the heartland models in their ability to synthesize the text with known archaeology. Apr 20, 2009 its been over a year since someone posted something on book of mormon geography, so i think its about time. In the great lakes or prairie regions winter storms are and were so common that. This book will astound all book of mormon geography enthusiasts. Great lakes proponents often associate nephites with the hopewell tradition of the great lakes region a loose cluster of early native american cultures that shared common.